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stevecrout

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Feeling a little rusty?
« on: December 19, 2020, 09:03:21 AM »
Most of us have at one time or another, flipped the gas cap of a bike you either own or plan to own and seen the dreaded rust blooms everywhere. Because I appear to have plenty of time on my hands I decided to have a go at using electrolysis. My friend down the street has a number of tanks with rust so we decided to try one of his.

The theory is fairly simple, you direct current from one spot to another through a liquid and get the current to carry the rust molecules with it, transferring them from the tank surface to your anode. This is almost the same principle as plating where you employ a cathode of the material you wish to transfer and an anode, the item you wish to transfer the molecules to except in this case the inside surface of the tank is considered to be the cathode.

You need a medium to transfer the rust and a solution of carbonate of soda in water is sufficient.  (Not BI-carbonate of soda or baking soda.  You need a washing soda. You can create carbonate of soda by heating bi-carb in your oven at 350' for about 20 minutes.)  About half a  cup for 5 gallons is right. We found the carbonate of soda at the local Home Hardware.

Next you need a a piece of iron to act as the anode and we used a 6" piece of rebar.  You'll see the plastic cap on the top and a bit of plastic on the end of the rebar. This was to prevent the rebar from grounding out anywhere on the tank surface so the current would only flow to the rebar through the liquid.

The voltage and amperage to use can be decided leaving a lot of wiggle room in case your power supply isn't a heavy duty one.  Along as the current is flowing fairly evenly at around 2 amps and 12 volts you will get the desired result. You probably want to monitor this activity during the day in case the solution bubbles over or the power supply gets too hot.

Fill the tank right to the brim with your soda solution, set the anode in so there's no metal to metal contact, fix the positive to the anode and the negative to something like the fuel tap or some other well grounded part and you're ready to go!

We had to use a shorter anode because of the hump in the tank so we had to clean the deposits off the anode a couple of times.

As you can see from the photos, the process is fairly straight forward and leaves only a few specks of rust after the second treatment. We then dried the tank out and  splashed some kerosene around to coat the bare metal.  I have one more photo of the finished process coming and will upload it later.

This sort of process works especially well in tanks that have lots of small crevasses where shaking a bunch of nuts around wouldn't reach all the spots.

There's a few YouTube demo's available too.
 
Finally - it's probably a good idea to do a careful examination of the seams of your tank for any bubbling to ensure all that rust hasn't actually eaten through the metal.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2020, 09:09:01 AM by stevecrout »
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Re: Feeling a little rusty?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 04:22:23 PM »
Here's the tank after 3 x 4 hr sessions with the solution.  Clean as a whistle!  Next is to flush it out with kerosene before it starts to oxidize again.

The colour of the solution indicates all the rust that is suspended. 

Next we're going to try Zinc and Copper  plating using the same sort of tools.

Stay tuned!
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2020, 07:13:41 PM »
Excellent post Steve.  I'll try some of this myself as the winter wears on and let the group know how I fare.

Washing soda is available as Arm & Hammer brand at the local Save-on-Foods and it's also at the hot tub places as a 'PH balancer' (raises hot tub PH). 

I'd like to offer this caution.  If you don't have washing soda (i.e. Sodium carbonate or Na2CO3), please don't be tempted to substitute salt solution (i.e. sodium chloride or NaCl).  EVER!  Too much current in sodium carbonate solution produces sodium metal and carbon dioxide.  No big deal except True-Dough in Ottawa will tax the carbon dioxide and the sodium will soon oxidize and then turn into sodium hydroxide--which has a high PH but acts as rust inhibitor.    However too much current in a salt solution will produce sodium metal and CHLORINE GAS.  Chlorine was used in WW1 trenches to kill people and it does this very effectively.  A guy in the Kettle club in the UK just about gassed himself this way.  Don't be the next wag to do this. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2020, 08:07:03 PM »
Right you are! 

Safe to say don't use any compound as electrolyte with CI in the name.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 10:13:31 AM »
Excellent Steve.

I have watched lots of YouTube videos but never taken the plunge.  Same with plating.  I've often wanted to try cadmium plating since it is common on Japanese bikes.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2021, 08:27:13 AM »
Hi Dennis -  while I wouldn't want to try the real Cad plating because of the noxious fumes generated by the process I am ready to give the "Copy-Cad" process a whirl.  It apparently, gives the look and feel of the real thing yet is almost as easy as Zinc.

I'll be trying the Zinc plate process this weekend in a separate posting and will keep you posted.
 
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